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Posted 10 January 2002 - 01:30 AM

I also feel that they should do the time without any of that good behavior shit. Give me a break...But what if one who deserves 40 yrs gets 2 mths from a 4 yr sentence for good behaviour? What is that? Good behaviour cause one smiled, went to bed when was told, pissed when one was told, folded clothes as told and gets out 3 yrs and 8 mths ahead of time. What the ####? Society is a joke and the criminal system is ass backwards.

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Posted 26 January 2002 - 09:26 AM

Okay, I know I'm going to catch flack for this but here it goes;


I think anything is possible. If the individual really is SORRY and wants to change...get help..whatever.. I think they can change. True most of them will NEVER change but I truly believe some of them can.  I believe society and the way they were raised made them that way.

*T*  Our society has allowed pornography to flourish... topless bars..peep shows...hookers...magazines...#### even the "decent" magazines don't leave much to the imagination! Have you noticed the cover of the magagines now a days? At what point do we say society shares some of the responsibility for what's happened? Sorry.... rambling on.. this is a sore spot for me.  Just forget I said anything.



#33 blondie2002

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Posted 09 September 2008 - 05:05 AM

I don't think it's possible. :angry:

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Posted 09 September 2008 - 08:57 AM

I don't think an offender can BE rehabilitated - as in sent to a program and poof he's cured. I think that if someone has an epiphany and suddenly realizes that they don't like the way they've been living their lives, they have the ability to change that. But it has to come from within them - and I for one am not about to trust that. I don't give out many second chances, and when I do, I usually get burned. So, if they are able to "change", someone else can give them a chance - but I won't.

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Posted 09 September 2008 - 10:07 AM

I have to say I don't think its possible at all and Iwouldn't want to take that chance on someone and have them hurt my children !!!!!!

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Posted 22 September 2008 - 07:01 PM

I don't think an offender can BE rehabilitated - as in sent to a program and poof he's cured. I think that if someone has an epiphany and suddenly realizes that they don't like the way they've been living their lives, they have the ability to change that.


Agreed. I also think it depends on why they did it in the first place, and what form the sexual assault took. I think there are a fair percentage of aquaintance rapists who're convinced that what they are doing isn't rape and isn't harmful. Classic example, from I never called it rape is the guy who flung the woman to the floor and raped her while (from her perspective) she was fighting tooth and nail, then after asks her in all sincerity, "Wow! Are you always this violent when having sex?" I know there are guys who believe in the whole porn myth "she wanted it, she asked for it, she enjoyed it" - where they think the woman is just not honest enough (or bright enough) to know what she wants and they're doing her a favor. I dealt with one of those myself. :glare:

Guys like that can change if they recognize that they've been minimizing the damage they're doing, in my experience. But of course they don't WANT to recognize what they've been doing, because then they have to deal with the harm they've caused. :o: Still, if you can get them to face it, then there's the possibility of change. Especially if it's the first time they've done it... I think how long and how much they've abused is part of it, too; how deeply committed they are to the pattern, I guess.

The thing is, especially when it comes to date rape, our culture teaches men that rape is harmless. :angry: So guys in that mindset who discover that it isn't harmless may not be so committed to abuse as someone who is committing incest, for instance. They may be doing it because they think it's normal, or okay, rather than because they "need" to do it. It hurts just the same for whoever is being abused - the abuser's reasoning makes no difference there - but it makes a difference when it comes to the abuser's potential for rehabilitiation, I would think.


I wouldn't want to take that chance on someone and have them hurt my children !!!!!!


Me neither. I'm willing to speculate on the possibility of rehabilitation and I can handle dealing with guys who have supposedly been rehabilitated (or at least I could some years back) - IF they recognize what they've done. And recognizing what they've done means recognizing that no woman (or child, or other vulnerable person) should be expected to trust them or to be alone with them. Anyone who tries the, "But I'm rehabilitiated! You should trust me as if I'd never done anything wrong!" is minimizing the harm they have done and is, IMHO, indicating thereby that they are flat untrustworthy.

I would argue that even a rehabilitated sexual abuser needs to accept that their past is going to limit them. I don't agree at all that someone who has abused should be allowed to go back to the job that gave them an opportunity to abuse, for instance; recognizing the harm they have done means they are willing to accept limitations meant to minimize their opportunity to abuse again. In particular, parents are not (and should not be) obligated to trust someone with that in their past.

My main problems with the whole idea of rehabilitation is the idea that this means we should treat the person as if the abuse never happened (that, to me, is minimizing the crime), and the idea that anyone can rehabilitate an offender. Rehabilitation is not something that can be done to an abuser; it is a hard thing that only the abuser can choose to do. And, going on personal experience with guys who think they're rehabilitated, that commitment is not a cure. The attitudes that allow abuse go DEEP, it takes time and work and someone in that person's life actively challenging them on a regular basis before rehabilitation is even possible. It isn't something anyone can do just by deciding they want to do it. Someone earlier compared it to drug use; a habitual user can quit using drugs, but the addiction is still a part of their life and an active possibility that needs to be dealt with every time it comes up. Which is often daily, even years after the last time they took drugs.

Which is another reason I don't trust the ones who say, "I've changed; now people should treat me as if it never happened." Maybe it's possible that some abusers truly change so deeply it's never an issue again. But my guess is that's always a weak spot, a potential response to stress or whatever - and my belief is that an abuser who truly wants to change, who truly regrets the abuse and never wants to do it again, knows that, and is fine with changing careers or whatever in order to minimize the possibility of doing it again.

Because any sexual abuser who takes the pain they've caused seriously knows they caused harm that could mean life-long pain for the person they hurt; therefore life-long consequences will not seem unfair to them.

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Edited by Shalom, 22 September 2008 - 07:04 PM.


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Posted 23 September 2008 - 06:11 AM

Personally I can never see my abusers changing thier ways - when I was very little they got caught, they could have stopped - but the didn't, so that answers this questionn for me

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 09:11 PM

Considering,that all 3 of my a*****s knew what they did was wrong I don't think so! :angry:

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Posted 21 December 2008 - 10:20 PM

Rehabilitated, no.

My abuser has been through sex offender treatment. Do I think we will abuse again? No. I do feel that the reasons he abused me (low self-esteem, physical/emotional abuse during childhood, a marriage that is unfulfilling) still exist in his life, however. I don't think his emotional neediness will ever be fixed.

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Posted 28 December 2008 - 09:58 AM

I still doubt there is such a thing. :glare:

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 03:50 PM

i dont think offenders can be rehabilitated

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 03:50 PM

=(

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 03:51 PM

hugs

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 03:51 PM

hugs

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Posted 05 January 2009 - 01:58 AM

in my opinion..you cant now nor ever be rehabilitated....and honestly i think those who believ these people can be rehabilitated and let them out of jail or give a lesser charge becase theres a hope of rehabilitation are setting other people to get hurt

i dont believe in it, or support it


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